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		<title>Comment on Was Fanny&#8217;s Love Realistic? (Ch. 24) by Vic (Ms. Place)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic (Ms. Place)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that I totally ignored the content of this post, and only responded to the comments. I think Fanny has a strong moral center that cannot be swayed by the external. Had she not fallen for Edmund, she still had her excellent brother as a role model. Regardless of how tempting Henry Crawford might have been in the absence of an Edmund, he would never have measured up to her high standards. Henry, who cannot help but eventually show his true character, never stood a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that I totally ignored the content of this post, and only responded to the comments. I think Fanny has a strong moral center that cannot be swayed by the external. Had she not fallen for Edmund, she still had her excellent brother as a role model. Regardless of how tempting Henry Crawford might have been in the absence of an Edmund, he would never have measured up to her high standards. Henry, who cannot help but eventually show his true character, never stood a chance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Was Fanny&#8217;s Love Realistic? (Ch. 24) by Vic (Ms. Place)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic (Ms. Place)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 11:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmm, I am enjoying reading this discussion and am eager to jump in, however, I am late for work and will need to keep this short. 

I just want to say that after having read Persuasion again, it is glaring that the work remains unfinished. There are too many dangling threads, and Jane seldom allowed her plots to dangle. While I love Emma as a concept, I have a hard time with its passivity and talkiness. Miss Bates and Mr. Woodhouse especially get on my nerves, and sometimes I just want to toss the book and say 'enough already!' Mr. Knightley comes off as the prosiest and bossiest of the suitors (even moreso than Edmund). I have an aversion to people who poke into other's lives and manipulate them, so my reaction to Emma is a personal one. 

In order of preference, these are my JA choices: P&#38;P, Persuasion, S&#38;S, NA, Mansfield Park, and then Emma. NA is a delightful romp, and I am falling in love with Henry Tilney.  Mansfield Park keeps getting better and better. When I was 17 I was exactly like Marianne Dashwood, a pain, but I had potential. So, reading S&#38;S reminds me of my younger self.

Aw, heck, give me JA over any author any day. Her books are filled with such depth that I cannot get enough of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm, I am enjoying reading this discussion and am eager to jump in, however, I am late for work and will need to keep this short. </p>
<p>I just want to say that after having read Persuasion again, it is glaring that the work remains unfinished. There are too many dangling threads, and Jane seldom allowed her plots to dangle. While I love Emma as a concept, I have a hard time with its passivity and talkiness. Miss Bates and Mr. Woodhouse especially get on my nerves, and sometimes I just want to toss the book and say &#8216;enough already!&#8217; Mr. Knightley comes off as the prosiest and bossiest of the suitors (even moreso than Edmund). I have an aversion to people who poke into other&#8217;s lives and manipulate them, so my reaction to Emma is a personal one. </p>
<p>In order of preference, these are my JA choices: P&amp;P, Persuasion, S&amp;S, NA, Mansfield Park, and then Emma. NA is a delightful romp, and I am falling in love with Henry Tilney.  Mansfield Park keeps getting better and better. When I was 17 I was exactly like Marianne Dashwood, a pain, but I had potential. So, reading S&amp;S reminds me of my younger self.</p>
<p>Aw, heck, give me JA over any author any day. Her books are filled with such depth that I cannot get enough of them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Was Fanny&#8217;s Love Realistic? (Ch. 24) by Chris Dornan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Dornan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 20:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really curious to read that you like &lt;i&gt;Mansfield Park&lt;/i&gt; the most--and not in a detached appreciation of technique but a real appreciation of the whole--yet you find &lt;i&gt;Sense and Sensibility&lt;/i&gt; the least likable.  I suppose it isn't really that surprising; in some ways S&#38;S, like Emma (which is not your one of your favourites I notice), is the most tricky.  It took me a good while to love Emma.  My favourites are the just the novels she published herself--S&#38;S, P&#38;P, M.P. and Emma, with N.A. close.

I refuse to elevate any one of the four and see them as an undivided whole with NA a primer. (I agree with Trilling that P was unfinished.)  For me S&#38;S is the true foundations on which they were all built.  Of course it was much less developed as a novel than its successors but its construction was exquisite and I remain awed by its philosophical brilliance.  I never had any difficulty identifying with the story--but that is the beauty of these novels--they all have complementary strengths that appeal to different people.  I have no desire to try and shake people out of their preferences--though I do wish more people like &lt;i&gt;Mansfield Park&lt;/i&gt; and more would understand &lt;i&gt;Sense and Sensibility&lt;/i&gt;.

I wonder to what extent you would agree with my &lt;a href="http://peaceandwisdom.net/category/composite-feature-articles/jane-bennet-and-barack-obama/" rel="nofollow"&gt;interpretation of &lt;i&gt;Pride and Prejudice&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.  Given our convergence on &lt;i&gt;Mansfield Park&lt;/i&gt; I think we might agree, but with the divergence on &lt;i&gt;Sense and Sensibility&lt;/i&gt; I think we might disagree.  So I am curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really curious to read that you like <i>Mansfield Park</i> the most&#8211;and not in a detached appreciation of technique but a real appreciation of the whole&#8211;yet you find <i>Sense and Sensibility</i> the least likable.  I suppose it isn&#8217;t really that surprising; in some ways S&amp;S, like Emma (which is not your one of your favourites I notice), is the most tricky.  It took me a good while to love Emma.  My favourites are the just the novels she published herself&#8211;S&amp;S, P&amp;P, M.P. and Emma, with N.A. close.</p>
<p>I refuse to elevate any one of the four and see them as an undivided whole with NA a primer. (I agree with Trilling that P was unfinished.)  For me S&amp;S is the true foundations on which they were all built.  Of course it was much less developed as a novel than its successors but its construction was exquisite and I remain awed by its philosophical brilliance.  I never had any difficulty identifying with the story&#8211;but that is the beauty of these novels&#8211;they all have complementary strengths that appeal to different people.  I have no desire to try and shake people out of their preferences&#8211;though I do wish more people like <i>Mansfield Park</i> and more would understand <i>Sense and Sensibility</i>.</p>
<p>I wonder to what extent you would agree with my <a href="http://peaceandwisdom.net/category/composite-feature-articles/jane-bennet-and-barack-obama/" rel="nofollow">interpretation of <i>Pride and Prejudice</i></a>.  Given our convergence on <i>Mansfield Park</i> I think we might agree, but with the divergence on <i>Sense and Sensibility</i> I think we might disagree.  So I am curious.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What a Corrupted Mind (Chs. 23-4) by Chris Dornan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Dornan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 20:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed!  The study of Henry's and Maria's selfish passion is absolutely brilliant.  How can people say she didn't understand romantic love?  Methinks the problem is she understood it only too well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed!  The study of Henry&#8217;s and Maria&#8217;s selfish passion is absolutely brilliant.  How can people say she didn&#8217;t understand romantic love?  Methinks the problem is she understood it only too well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sir Thomas Attends to Business (Ch. 20) by Chris Dornan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Dornan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 20:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent--it is good to know that I have one other person with an enthusiasm for Mansfield Park!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent&#8211;it is good to know that I have one other person with an enthusiasm for Mansfield Park!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sir Thomas Attends to Business (Ch. 20) by Rosie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 19:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your assessment is hitting the nail on its proverbial head with me. )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your assessment is hitting the nail on its proverbial head with me. )</p>
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		<title>Comment on What a Corrupted Mind (Chs. 23-4) by Rosie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 19:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Yes, Mary, my Fanny will feel a difference indeed: a daily, hourly difference, in the behaviour of every being who approaches her; and it will be the completion of my happiness to know that I am the doer of it, that I am the person to give the consequence so justly her due. Now she is dependent, helpless, friendless, neglected, forgotten.”

“Nay, Henry, not by all; not forgotten by all; not friendless or forgotten. Her cousin Edmund never forgets her.”

“Edmund! True, I believe he is, generally speaking, kind to her, and so is Sir Thomas in his way; but it is the way of a rich, superior, long-worded, arbitrary uncle. What can Sir Thomas and Edmund together do, what do they do for her happiness, comfort, honour, and dignity in the world, to what I shall do?”

Ah yes. I remember bristling when I read this speech. What self conceit thought I.  Even in the heat of his passion for Fanny it's still all about him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, Mary, my Fanny will feel a difference indeed: a daily, hourly difference, in the behaviour of every being who approaches her; and it will be the completion of my happiness to know that I am the doer of it, that I am the person to give the consequence so justly her due. Now she is dependent, helpless, friendless, neglected, forgotten.”</p>
<p>“Nay, Henry, not by all; not forgotten by all; not friendless or forgotten. Her cousin Edmund never forgets her.”</p>
<p>“Edmund! True, I believe he is, generally speaking, kind to her, and so is Sir Thomas in his way; but it is the way of a rich, superior, long-worded, arbitrary uncle. What can Sir Thomas and Edmund together do, what do they do for her happiness, comfort, honour, and dignity in the world, to what I shall do?”</p>
<p>Ah yes. I remember bristling when I read this speech. What self conceit thought I.  Even in the heat of his passion for Fanny it&#8217;s still all about him.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Was Fanny&#8217;s Love Realistic? (Ch. 24) by Rosie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 19:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you 1000%. Mansfield Park is the first of Austen's Work that I ever read. I bought it off a Logos boat when it docked in my island. Multiple readings have allowed me to  analyze the characters and their motives more thoroughly. Both Crawford and Mary had the chance to be better people through the influence of Edmund and Fanny but they both lost out on love because they were habitually selfish vain and proud. Mary more so than Henry imho because Henry at least tried to change for the sake of love. Mary did not and insisted on seeing herself as the injured party. 'If he really loved me, he would choose a better profession - because I deserve so much more than to be the wife of a mere clergyman' 

I love all of Austen's work except Sense &#38; Sensibility. Mansfield Park, Pride &#38; Prejudice and Northanger Abby are my favourites, in that order. Going to read the rest of your posts now. I am enjoying your analyses a great deal. ;')</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you 1000%. Mansfield Park is the first of Austen&#8217;s Work that I ever read. I bought it off a Logos boat when it docked in my island. Multiple readings have allowed me to  analyze the characters and their motives more thoroughly. Both Crawford and Mary had the chance to be better people through the influence of Edmund and Fanny but they both lost out on love because they were habitually selfish vain and proud. Mary more so than Henry imho because Henry at least tried to change for the sake of love. Mary did not and insisted on seeing herself as the injured party. &#8216;If he really loved me, he would choose a better profession - because I deserve so much more than to be the wife of a mere clergyman&#8217; </p>
<p>I love all of Austen&#8217;s work except Sense &amp; Sensibility. Mansfield Park, Pride &amp; Prejudice and Northanger Abby are my favourites, in that order. Going to read the rest of your posts now. I am enjoying your analyses a great deal. ;&#8217 <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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